1 00:00:03,60 --> 00:00:08,35 Tuesday August three eighteenth's two thousand and fifteen with your please rise 2 00:00:08,36 --> 00:00:14,04 for the pledge to fly. I pledge allegiance to the. 3 00:00:15,14 --> 00:00:21,09 United States. To the only. One way. 4 00:00:22,87 --> 00:00:29,80 And it is the way you. Think you. Have 5 00:00:29,81 --> 00:00:36,63 a roll call place. Here Gary Richardson present 6 00:00:37,43 --> 00:00:43,66 your hair your. Hair buckler your. Present. 7 00:00:46,07 --> 00:00:48,01 Now and I will take 8 00:00:48,02 --> 00:00:54,17 a motion to approve the agenda. So move mood by Commissioner Murad is there 9 00:00:54,18 --> 00:00:57,44 a second second second by Commissioner proposition 10 00:00:57,45 --> 00:01:02,68 a discussion on the agenda. Here or not it will take a roll call or 11 00:01:02,69 --> 00:01:09,32 a yes buckler Yes Smith Yes yes yes 12 00:01:09,42 --> 00:01:15,16 RICHARDSON Yes Morel yes or no yes now eight and now I will take 13 00:01:15,17 --> 00:01:19,77 a motion to approve the minutes of the July the twenty eighth's two thousand and 14 00:01:19,78 --> 00:01:26,38 fifteen. Minutes. So moved like Mr Richardson is there 15 00:01:26,39 --> 00:01:32,46 a second second second like Mr Sedo Is there any discussion on the minutes. 16 00:01:34,57 --> 00:01:35,58 Hearing none we'll take 17 00:01:35,59 --> 00:01:42,24 a roll call vote morale Yes yes Smith Yes your AD 18 00:01:42,68 --> 00:01:47,94 Yes yes RICHARDSON Yes or yes or no yes. 19 00:01:50,28 --> 00:01:55,12 Any communications you got many communications can be any capacity da meeting 20 00:01:55,13 --> 00:01:58,89 minutes the latest Planning Commission roster I realize it's been 21 00:01:58,90 --> 00:02:05,12 a while so I might want to bring. That article. Regarding diversity that was 22 00:02:05,13 --> 00:02:06,40 forwarded to me from R.G.P. 23 00:02:06,41 --> 00:02:11,91 Deputy director from the M M L. An article from council member Baker. 24 00:02:13,17 --> 00:02:20,13 Bicycle safety and designing. Infrastructure to be safe for bicycles and the. 25 00:02:21,82 --> 00:02:28,25 The report on the rope enough. For been design project 26 00:02:28,71 --> 00:02:34,69 and then you have the streets rendering term Woodward You'll recall that when you 27 00:02:34,70 --> 00:02:41,04 were asked to choose between option A and Option B. You went with C. . Three D. 28 00:02:41,66 --> 00:02:46,15 Not unanimously but that's what that's what the majority of you of the council kind 29 00:02:46,16 --> 00:02:52,25 of felt the same way they started at the same lukewarm feeling in light of that we 30 00:02:52,26 --> 00:02:52,34 had 31 00:02:52,35 --> 00:02:57,61 a conference call with all of the various staff planners from the various communities 32 00:02:57,62 --> 00:03:03,96 in fact it all chatting about bicycles and sidewalks and service drives and 33 00:03:04,49 --> 00:03:10,82 maintenance. And there were some intense words on occasion but in the end we did 34 00:03:11,48 --> 00:03:15,78 find that there was an agreement that we thought that. Having 35 00:03:15,79 --> 00:03:21,60 a wider sidewalk was better than not and yet and that having the bicycles 36 00:03:22,46 --> 00:03:24,05 away from the traffic was 37 00:03:24,06 --> 00:03:29,04 a good thing as well there was some discussion on whether it was better to have the 38 00:03:29,05 --> 00:03:35,17 bicycles at the same grade as the car. Which is why if you look at the rendering 39 00:03:35,18 --> 00:03:37,00 you can't really tell whether that's a curb or 40 00:03:37,01 --> 00:03:41,69 a stripe or what there was discussion about whether it was better to have it. 41 00:03:44,04 --> 00:03:49,81 Be essentially curb separated but at street grade there were maintenance issues 42 00:03:49,82 --> 00:03:53,09 with that which we all had to discussed and we all talked about 43 00:03:53,10 --> 00:03:57,32 a conference call. But then there was also discussion about if you kept 44 00:03:57,33 --> 00:04:02,13 a sidewalk grade where they're going to be pedestrian by school collisions there 45 00:04:02,14 --> 00:04:04,11 were discussion. It's about having to 46 00:04:04,12 --> 00:04:09,98 a bicycle traffic rather than one way and what we thought how we thought people 47 00:04:09,99 --> 00:04:15,38 would behave motorists whether they would know to look both ways whether bicycle 48 00:04:15,61 --> 00:04:19,82 bicyclists would actually cross the street to go north or south or whether they'd 49 00:04:19,83 --> 00:04:26,81 just go on their merry way. But in the end at this point it was agreed that the 50 00:04:26,82 --> 00:04:31,82 bicycles can be between the car and the sidewalk and perhaps the Sidewalk Ends up 51 00:04:31,93 --> 00:04:38,87 just being wider. That's what. Or we end up with it at a curb and we end up with 52 00:04:38,88 --> 00:04:45,83 a bunch of losing our budget. Time. But at this point it's all 53 00:04:46,74 --> 00:04:53,46 still talk talk it's all still talk there's no money for it. All right at this 54 00:04:53,47 --> 00:04:57,45 point all interchange citizens comments and citizen who is right to address 55 00:04:57,46 --> 00:05:03,00 surprising commission on any topic not on our agenda the CD may you step up to the 56 00:05:03,01 --> 00:05:08,31 micro from state your name and city of residence and the floor I will remind says 57 00:05:08,32 --> 00:05:13,01 and so I have an opportunity to participate in discussions as we move through maybe 58 00:05:13,37 --> 00:05:20,25 the city. Saying no says those rushing to the microphone I 59 00:05:20,26 --> 00:05:26,36 guess we'll move right on in the you order of business expenses item number one is 60 00:05:26,37 --> 00:05:27,96 a public hearing matter of conducting 61 00:05:27,97 --> 00:05:31,65 a public hearing or in the adoption of the residential future land use planning 62 00:05:31,66 --> 00:05:38,08 Amendment. Notice was published in The Daily Tribune notices were also sent 63 00:05:38,09 --> 00:05:42,15 a neighboring communities underlying agencies utilities in the county on August 64 00:05:42,16 --> 00:05:44,43 fourth Oakland County you have 65 00:05:44,44 --> 00:05:48,38 a copy of their report found that the proposed master plan amendment was not 66 00:05:48,39 --> 00:05:54,80 inconsistent with the surrounding communities. So that's 67 00:05:54,81 --> 00:06:00,11 a good thing that's what they essentially said yes. Well we sort of thought that 68 00:06:00,12 --> 00:06:04,26 would really go with this. It's a good plan it's 69 00:06:04,27 --> 00:06:07,93 a very good plan I think it is we did it has. Been 70 00:06:07,94 --> 00:06:10,20 a great job monitor and getting it together. 71 00:06:14,59 --> 00:06:18,54 So I guess the first order of business is sick enough to probably carrying on it. 72 00:06:19,61 --> 00:06:25,25 So I will open. The public hearing Do we want to talk 73 00:06:25,26 --> 00:06:31,59 a little bit about what Senator do is really just go for it that way. So the intent 74 00:06:31,60 --> 00:06:36,16 of the master plan amendment that's before the Planning Commission tonight for 75 00:06:36,17 --> 00:06:43,09 consideration. Was really came out of the two 76 00:06:43,10 --> 00:06:49,43 thousand and seven master the larger master plan that was adopted and there was. 77 00:06:51,23 --> 00:06:56,67 A thought at that point in time that the city of Berkeley didn't have any. Didn't 78 00:06:56,68 --> 00:07:01,83 have any townhouse developments in the city and there had been 79 00:07:01,84 --> 00:07:05,93 a lot of interest in having that and so the Planning Commission since this time has 80 00:07:05,94 --> 00:07:08,73 been trying to find a spot to put them where would be 81 00:07:08,74 --> 00:07:14,77 a good location for. Four townhouses what should we zone to. 82 00:07:15,94 --> 00:07:22,39 Residential attatched single family. Problem with rezoning something is that 83 00:07:22,87 --> 00:07:29,81 if you allow. It you would need to change the land use is there or there 84 00:07:29,82 --> 00:07:34,22 are into nonconforming uses and that causes problems with insurance and loans and 85 00:07:34,23 --> 00:07:36,25 all of that and so there really was 86 00:07:36,26 --> 00:07:39,91 a thought well we we want to allow for it but we want to continue to allow the uses 87 00:07:39,92 --> 00:07:46,03 that are there. So the greenfield district which was adopted. The zoning map 88 00:07:46,65 --> 00:07:53,40 changes were made and. Were adopted sometime ago allows for 89 00:07:53,41 --> 00:07:56,15 townhouses. There is 90 00:07:56,16 --> 00:08:02,82 a zone on twelve mile that is. In the tiny map and I don't have it memorized from 91 00:08:02,83 --> 00:08:09,25 during field to about Tyler and it actually allows for townhouses on twelve mile 92 00:08:09,92 --> 00:08:16,08 and again the that development hasn't happened but it is available if developers 93 00:08:16,09 --> 00:08:21,71 and the city. The city is willing to entertain the idea of town houses or 94 00:08:21,72 --> 00:08:28,35 apartments being twelve mile at that location just west of the downtown. So again 95 00:08:28,78 --> 00:08:33,59 we're still looking at wanting to have this important land use in the city and but 96 00:08:33,60 --> 00:08:38,29 we want to speak in textual And so this Plan Commission is looking at well let's 97 00:08:38,30 --> 00:08:44,89 allow for infill development at certain locations provided that is can tax jewel in 98 00:08:44,90 --> 00:08:47,49 the city planning commission has been working on 99 00:08:47,50 --> 00:08:54,22 a. Four base code which would allow for duplexes along with single family 100 00:08:54,47 --> 00:08:58,81 with along with townhouses along. With apartments and certain areas provided that 101 00:08:58,82 --> 00:09:04,58 they fit into the context have the appropriate parking setbacks that they look 102 00:09:04,59 --> 00:09:10,25 a certain way. And again and this master plan amendment looks at the population 103 00:09:10,26 --> 00:09:16,57 trends we peaked in one nine hundred sixty family sizes going down and. 104 00:09:17,65 --> 00:09:21,13 And we're built out we can't we're not going to start an exciting Royal Oak or 105 00:09:21,14 --> 00:09:25,97 Huntington woods to gain population like they do out west where they just the 106 00:09:25,98 --> 00:09:28,97 cities keep getting bigger and bigger so this is 107 00:09:29,01 --> 00:09:35,50 a way to continue to make Berkeley walkable and to allow for people to 108 00:09:36,50 --> 00:09:41,92 their children to buy into the community after they've grown and be able to afford 109 00:09:42,29 --> 00:09:46,87 living here as well as people that want to they don't want to deal with the 110 00:09:46,88 --> 00:09:47,41 maintenance of 111 00:09:47,42 --> 00:09:50,75 a single family home but they want to continue to live in Berkeley and that's 112 00:09:50,76 --> 00:09:56,37 really what this is looking at allowing for and the master plan looks at these 113 00:09:56,38 --> 00:10:03,08 population trends and how it's important that we. Provide for housing diversity in 114 00:10:03,09 --> 00:10:09,83 the city. With that that's very very good thank you from him 115 00:10:09,84 --> 00:10:16,58 thank you and so with that. We'll entertain anyone who cares to address the 116 00:10:16,59 --> 00:10:18,30 Planning Commission regarding this. 117 00:10:23,80 --> 00:10:30,65 Good evening my name's John De Long live in Oxford and west for market and I think 118 00:10:30,66 --> 00:10:34,85 I read the master plan and. The correct document. 119 00:10:38,25 --> 00:10:42,98 A long time ago when I was much younger I remember living in apartments and 120 00:10:43,56 --> 00:10:44,39 although I was always 121 00:10:44,40 --> 00:10:51,35 a good tenant. I remember that apartments with young folks could be very loud and. 122 00:10:52,88 --> 00:10:53,02 Have 123 00:10:53,03 --> 00:11:00,02 a lot of excitement. And what I'm concerned about is in here it says 124 00:11:00,03 --> 00:11:05,50 that apartments should be considered. Within 125 00:11:05,51 --> 00:11:12,45 a quarter mile of the transit stops along Woodward Avenue. I'm just concerned about 126 00:11:12,49 --> 00:11:14,31 all of a sudden having 127 00:11:14,46 --> 00:11:20,84 a an apartment near my property an apartment for older folks which I might want to 128 00:11:20,85 --> 00:11:25,40 move into something I can understand but for example we have 129 00:11:25,41 --> 00:11:30,53 a beautiful house down the street where of the owner is going to be leaving soon 130 00:11:30,54 --> 00:11:33,29 and it's a large lot and 131 00:11:33,30 --> 00:11:37,64 a double lot next to it and my going to wake up someday to find out that that's 132 00:11:37,65 --> 00:11:41,25 been rezoned in being torn down and 133 00:11:42,25 --> 00:11:47,67 a townhouses are going to be built or an apartment and how will that affect you 134 00:11:47,68 --> 00:11:51,75 know the community that I'm. I moved to because it is 135 00:11:51,76 --> 00:11:56,93 a bedroom residential community and I like it that way if I wanted to live in my 136 00:11:56,94 --> 00:12:02,83 local I would have stayed right look so that's all I want to say thank you. Other 137 00:12:02,84 --> 00:12:03,43 comments. 138 00:12:10,99 --> 00:12:14,66 Here in no other comments. I guess across 139 00:12:14,67 --> 00:12:25,89 a public airing. So 140 00:12:25,90 --> 00:12:32,72 I guess we move on item two we do right item number two is resolution R one fifteen 141 00:12:32,73 --> 00:12:39,59 matter of adopting the residential feature land use Amendment. What is the 142 00:12:39,60 --> 00:12:46,03 desire of the Planning Commission. Mr Chairman 143 00:12:46,82 --> 00:12:53,76 Mr Martin Smith. Are we recommending this to. You know you adopt we have made it 144 00:12:54,31 --> 00:13:00,24 has to move that we adopt resolution Ira one fifteen you're making 145 00:13:00,25 --> 00:13:02,10 a motion by making a motion is there 146 00:13:02,11 --> 00:13:08,38 a second for the resolution second by Commissioner Mark or is there any discussion 147 00:13:08,60 --> 00:13:15,59 on the motion. Hearing now and I guess I'll take 148 00:13:15,60 --> 00:13:22,37 a roll call vote. Yes Morel Yes you're at YES 149 00:13:23,21 --> 00:13:28,60 YES. Yes RICHARDSON Yes Smith Yes. Yes. 150 00:13:31,22 --> 00:13:37,12 OK. Item number three I don't know if it's really is discussion regarding street 151 00:13:37,13 --> 00:13:41,89 are pursuant to multi modal transportation plans recommendation so this is 152 00:13:41,90 --> 00:13:48,89 a fun one and you can help me on this or you can say forget it. I kind of went 153 00:13:48,90 --> 00:13:55,85 through in my report my history of this. Liking. Everyday 154 00:13:55,86 --> 00:14:00,14 objects painted whimsically and whether it's 155 00:14:00,15 --> 00:14:07,15 a dumpster or whether he saw fire hydrants in Ann Arbor. And again as I said I 156 00:14:07,16 --> 00:14:10,100 had talked about the fire hydrants and our D.P.W. 157 00:14:11,01 --> 00:14:15,88 Director former director Bruce to run with just get out of here kid he was just 158 00:14:15,93 --> 00:14:22,07 tired he just so soon. You are tired. There are actual or I hey what do you think 159 00:14:22,08 --> 00:14:23,99 about he gave me the pads about 160 00:14:24,20 --> 00:14:28,83 a paint them so that they know what the size of the pipe or the. Light you know 161 00:14:29,20 --> 00:14:32,75 there's certain things about saving lives they need to know what color coded that 162 00:14:32,76 --> 00:14:39,15 way I get that that's important so. Then we moved on to utility 163 00:14:39,53 --> 00:14:46,17 boxes and first roams thought that was just painted those that time 164 00:14:46,80 --> 00:14:50,19 did not have an issue with it I have since written to a T.N.T. 165 00:14:50,41 --> 00:14:55,17 Haven't heard back. I've looked into it 166 00:14:55,18 --> 00:15:00,86 a little bit gave you lotsa copies of this sort of thing I don't know if you like 167 00:15:00,87 --> 00:15:07,16 just plain ones that you think this looks trashy or you think it looks neat. I've 168 00:15:07,17 --> 00:15:11,98 kind of looked at to the point where I need somebody to love that other somebody to 169 00:15:11,99 --> 00:15:12,72 say yeah that's 170 00:15:12,73 --> 00:15:19,26 a good thing go for it or no that's not what we want. OK brainy nation 171 00:15:19,59 --> 00:15:24,20 well what you're going to go first. I remember as 172 00:15:24,21 --> 00:15:30,86 a child. When. United States was going through the bicentennial and I wasn't there 173 00:15:30,87 --> 00:15:36,18 and I had big moment I painted all the character I remember there were carried out 174 00:15:36,19 --> 00:15:40,06 so you know and I lived in the house where it was one was right out in front of us 175 00:15:40,07 --> 00:15:45,33 and they came by and painted him OK and that was kind of cool so I think it's 176 00:15:45,34 --> 00:15:51,52 a good idea you know I like the idea maybe turn it into like an art project or 177 00:15:51,53 --> 00:15:57,15 something. You know. I have to involve the community in some way. 178 00:15:59,04 --> 00:16:05,27 Down here. Richardson. Just dance and it was 179 00:16:05,28 --> 00:16:12,23 contemplated to be. The judge I haven't gotten I haven't really even 180 00:16:12,30 --> 00:16:16,07 thought about that I kind of you know I get that there could be an issue with that 181 00:16:16,08 --> 00:16:23,03 I think. If. You all as sort of representative 182 00:16:23,45 --> 00:16:29,78 think yeah this could be an interesting thing I'll continue on to hire folks and it 183 00:16:29,79 --> 00:16:33,81 won't just be me researching it but certainly we would want to make sure it wasn't 184 00:16:33,81 --> 00:16:40,75 . In my Clemence where I worked for many years they painted the fire hydrant. 185 00:16:43,12 --> 00:16:47,47 Variety designs on the fire hydrants similar to the pictures that provided us and. 186 00:16:48,99 --> 00:16:54,31 That was the city managers idea I caution that the same manager of Malcolm X. 187 00:16:54,32 --> 00:16:55,34 Was fired by 188 00:16:55,35 --> 00:17:01,28 a couple months. After the fire hydrant A F ever the fires are faded to me because 189 00:17:01,29 --> 00:17:06,08 there was some. Controversy connected with that I'm I'm not saying that what 190 00:17:06,09 --> 00:17:11,76 happened here in Berkeley but. Certainly want to get community buy and if you're 191 00:17:11,77 --> 00:17:17,52 going to do it right. I thought bit yes. Right or that's where. 192 00:17:18,97 --> 00:17:23,63 They kind of grew on you I mean it will look like traditional fire hydrants first 193 00:17:24,14 --> 00:17:25,95 kind of look at it and say well that's 194 00:17:25,96 --> 00:17:31,67 a little strange but they grow on you. Kind of seem like little friends little 195 00:17:32,62 --> 00:17:38,30 one cartoon characters seven to one so I had I'd say go ahead. 196 00:17:40,38 --> 00:17:46,99 And the comments. Come in. Like you know I appreciate 197 00:17:47,00 --> 00:17:53,69 your. Boldness and awareness and ability to bring 198 00:17:53,70 --> 00:17:59,87 this to the community as an option I think is. Something that would enhance the 199 00:17:59,88 --> 00:18:05,77 community whether it be on fire hydrants or in the Tila he boxes or what not to 200 00:18:05,78 --> 00:18:10,84 need fully in support of the Tila he boxes there's numerous throughout our 201 00:18:10,85 --> 00:18:17,09 communities that. Could be in here stores and I think that would be great has been 202 00:18:17,09 --> 00:18:23,15 . There and that's just your history right 203 00:18:24,04 --> 00:18:28,58 I think is a I think it's a great idea I do think that. I think it's 204 00:18:28,59 --> 00:18:33,29 a good opportunity. That being said I think you need to be I think there needs to 205 00:18:33,30 --> 00:18:38,73 be some careful thought into possible ways that these requirements could be. 206 00:18:39,77 --> 00:18:44,57 Unfortunately applied. And when I say that I can't say it that I can't say that I 207 00:18:44,58 --> 00:18:48,19 can think of you know for example you do say in here you are sort of asked to paint 208 00:18:48,32 --> 00:18:54,56 the utility much. And paint is a verb. And it's also 209 00:18:54,57 --> 00:18:59,51 a now. But the act of painting could involve more things than paint and if the 210 00:18:59,52 --> 00:19:03,15 intent is to paint the boxes with paint you come we need to say that. 211 00:19:06,40 --> 00:19:12,96 And then and again if. Somebody wants to paint you're concerned about feathers or 212 00:19:13,00 --> 00:19:17,68 Well I'm concerned I'm concerned about an unfortunate outcome that follows all of 213 00:19:17,69 --> 00:19:22,77 the rules and yet nobody likes OK And so that's really my only concern the other 214 00:19:22,78 --> 00:19:26,94 thing that they're going to think about is what happens if they get vandalized do 215 00:19:26,95 --> 00:19:32,69 they do you just painted beige again and then bring in the next artist sure. Or do 216 00:19:32,70 --> 00:19:36,16 you bring the old artist back to fix and I having having something in place 217 00:19:36,17 --> 00:19:39,98 regarding this I think is is pretty important because it is the kind of thing they 218 00:19:39,99 --> 00:19:43,36 can come back to haunt you if somebody really really likes 219 00:19:43,37 --> 00:19:47,71 a particular box in the way it was and then it gets damaged or Manalive or replaced 220 00:19:47,72 --> 00:19:49,62 because it's we need a new box and then all of 221 00:19:49,63 --> 00:19:54,80 a sudden becomes this big. Right. And then that there thing would be and then now 222 00:19:54,81 --> 00:19:58,95 that I'm expecting there's going to be I think we're going to have some. Some 223 00:19:58,96 --> 00:20:02,44 interest in this but you know is there 224 00:20:02,45 --> 00:20:07,38 a sunset on these designs and these designs going to last are you know let's you 225 00:20:07,39 --> 00:20:11,50 know is is this Are we going to keep it up for five years and painted over 226 00:20:11,51 --> 00:20:15,88 definitely you know I I I know that certain ones had 227 00:20:15,89 --> 00:20:21,86 a sense that and certainly it said that if. I can live with it that. 228 00:20:23,14 --> 00:20:27,65 Artwork may be removed or destroyed at any time without notification of the artist 229 00:20:27,66 --> 00:20:32,64 to accommodate utility backs replacement so we do say that it has to go it has to 230 00:20:32,65 --> 00:20:38,53 go and well and then see but then you know maybe just eliminate the utility bought 231 00:20:38,54 --> 00:20:41,83 a place to park and that lets you off the hook because if you can take it I mean I 232 00:20:41,84 --> 00:20:46,15 think the city because it's city property and ultimately the city graininess Rishon 233 00:20:46,69 --> 00:20:47,32 of the city has 234 00:20:47,33 --> 00:20:52,81 a right to you know. There's this big thing going on about murals on the sides of 235 00:20:52,82 --> 00:20:58,89 buildings and how before they're painted over removed or obscured the you have the 236 00:20:58,90 --> 00:21:05,45 artist has to be notified ninety days in advance which I'm assuming is to allow him 237 00:21:05,46 --> 00:21:11,87 to whip up public outrage and maybe change an outcome but. So what defines. 238 00:21:12,67 --> 00:21:19,55 That public mural nature of this and and if and you know what 239 00:21:19,56 --> 00:21:22,35 maybe you do you know find the going to get ninety days and then it gets replaced 240 00:21:22,36 --> 00:21:26,89 but unless it's an emergency but I think you need to cover OK those bases because 241 00:21:26,90 --> 00:21:31,81 it is it's one of those things that I could see people like you know I really like 242 00:21:31,82 --> 00:21:37,64 the box that was here and you went and did this and I mean it's just there I hate 243 00:21:37,65 --> 00:21:40,27 to say it but as a guy who's spent 244 00:21:40,28 --> 00:21:43,46 a lot of time reading codes you know trying to figure out what they really mean. 245 00:21:44,97 --> 00:21:51,68 That's all I have either coming. From here as you know also in your 246 00:21:51,69 --> 00:21:57,80 guidelines I think you have to consider obscenity and things like that. And I and I 247 00:21:57,81 --> 00:22:00,34 will have the city attorney and he gets 248 00:22:00,35 --> 00:22:07,33 a packet that. Obviously he have to weigh and I don't. Care to Richard 249 00:22:07,37 --> 00:22:12,58 and to me these are certainly legitimate concerns but they can be addressed by two 250 00:22:12,82 --> 00:22:18,81 two steps one having. Having the agreement the artist to sign all rights to the 251 00:22:18,82 --> 00:22:25,58 city. And to. Making the. Final 252 00:22:25,59 --> 00:22:30,66 decision on whether they are successful or not remain with the city just to have 253 00:22:30,67 --> 00:22:31,63 the artists submit 254 00:22:31,64 --> 00:22:37,96 a drawing ahead of time on this part of the you know sort of guidelines. For his I 255 00:22:37,97 --> 00:22:44,74 mean that way I think they want to press the. Turn that. Other comments. 256 00:22:47,17 --> 00:22:53,38 I know I like it I've always been in favor of bringing some are into the city I 257 00:22:53,39 --> 00:23:00,14 think it's great. And I had the idea i years back to do something twelve mile 258 00:23:00,46 --> 00:23:06,85 over the fence and the cemetery but then I got sick and didn't follow through so. 259 00:23:07,92 --> 00:23:08,61 It's still 260 00:23:09,13 --> 00:23:16,00 a good idea to do this and I'm young enough to remember this the 261 00:23:16,01 --> 00:23:22,67 Centennial the bicentennial. Painting. I had your 262 00:23:22,68 --> 00:23:26,47 insight believe I managed to pull off something to do that once upon 263 00:23:26,48 --> 00:23:33,43 a time. Other comics. Well OK Well I 264 00:23:33,44 --> 00:23:39,18 haven't had my say I haven't written like you were saying Well Ms Hanson I think I 265 00:23:39,52 --> 00:23:45,13 am sitting on the fence on this one OK And the reason I guess I'm sitting on the 266 00:23:45,14 --> 00:23:50,68 Found says. He talk about art. 267 00:23:52,16 --> 00:23:58,05 And what's art to one person is not are to another person and there's people who 268 00:23:58,06 --> 00:24:03,77 sit on the fence I don't know what it is or why it's there and I'm sure it's OK I 269 00:24:03,78 --> 00:24:09,50 guess but I guess I'm sitting on the fence on this one I. 270 00:24:11,25 --> 00:24:16,15 Would read every action Association just recently took on the project down in 271 00:24:16,16 --> 00:24:17,58 Highland Park they build 272 00:24:17,59 --> 00:24:24,42 a new pump house. And you know it just sat there the pump house sat there in the 273 00:24:24,43 --> 00:24:28,92 background and there was Bush bushes and trees around it and it sort of sat out in 274 00:24:28,93 --> 00:24:29,68 the open as 275 00:24:29,69 --> 00:24:35,63 a concrete structure and it didn't look that bad but by gosh now you drive by it 276 00:24:36,62 --> 00:24:41,59 and I think it's the Guardian's looking thing I've ever seen in the in creation and 277 00:24:41,60 --> 00:24:47,47 some people think it's great art and here this is where. I don't believe it's great 278 00:24:47,48 --> 00:24:53,83 art but I'm one person and that's the issue I have with this whole idea I think the 279 00:24:53,84 --> 00:24:57,76 fire hydrants I don't have as much problem with the fire hydrants but when I start 280 00:24:57,77 --> 00:25:03,47 painting utility boxes and what have you in the community they're sort of set there 281 00:25:03,48 --> 00:25:10,31 in a beige area they're Beijing color and what have you and and some There's 282 00:25:10,32 --> 00:25:14,60 a few locations in Berkeley where people have actually landscaped around the darn 283 00:25:14,61 --> 00:25:20,62 things and it doesn't look too bad. So I'm just a man he's E. 284 00:25:20,63 --> 00:25:26,46 About this I like the fire hydrant idea so happy about utility boxes and how far 285 00:25:26,47 --> 00:25:32,91 you go with that but I don't I look at our. What I think is great are 286 00:25:33,51 --> 00:25:40,25 some miles of work effort. And. Especially when you get in the contemporary 287 00:25:40,26 --> 00:25:40,57 air 288 00:25:40,86 --> 00:25:47,84 a lot of people go who what is that and. How you make the how you make the 289 00:25:47,85 --> 00:25:51,22 decision and what you're going to do and how you're going to do it I guess it's 290 00:25:51,64 --> 00:25:58,21 still up in the air for me I'm not against it yet and I'm sort of on the fence with 291 00:25:58,22 --> 00:26:03,96 that Mr Chairman. You bring up an interesting highlight of this. 292 00:26:05,40 --> 00:26:07,06 If I am a resident with 293 00:26:07,07 --> 00:26:12,71 a fire hydrant out in front of my house. I have to look at whatever the city 294 00:26:12,72 --> 00:26:19,45 approves That's right and you know it's funny just two days ago the city 295 00:26:19,46 --> 00:26:20,05 removed 296 00:26:20,06 --> 00:26:27,06 a street tree on our lot. No warning nothing my wife came home and said Eric you 297 00:26:27,07 --> 00:26:32,09 know their tree that would lean out into the street it's gone. And while I 298 00:26:32,32 --> 00:26:37,46 perfectly understand that that tree was leaning out into the street and it was 299 00:26:37,47 --> 00:26:41,90 going to fall and it probably should have been removed the fact that and it was on 300 00:26:41,91 --> 00:26:44,67 city property the city can do what they want you know somebody made 301 00:26:44,68 --> 00:26:49,61 a decision and now it's gone. And I didn't expect to have any say now I might have 302 00:26:49,87 --> 00:26:53,77 like a little notice for something you know just because you know I jam 303 00:26:53,78 --> 00:26:54,52 a lot around 304 00:26:54,53 --> 00:26:59,19 a tree and yet somehow it's not really mine. And when I think about how one day you 305 00:26:59,20 --> 00:27:04,32 could you know walk outside saying hello to your red fire hydrant and then you come 306 00:27:04,33 --> 00:27:10,89 back and it's Sponge Bob Square Pants. That I think that yeah that that 307 00:27:10,90 --> 00:27:11,77 potentially could be 308 00:27:11,78 --> 00:27:15,64 a problem and I'm not sure how to resolve it but I could see somebody being 309 00:27:15,65 --> 00:27:21,06 significantly not happy with the you know Vincent Van Gogh 310 00:27:21,07 --> 00:27:25,39 a starry night on the side it was eighty bucks if he doesn't happen to be of 311 00:27:25,40 --> 00:27:30,34 incidental fan you know I am and that would be OK with me but I do think that there 312 00:27:30,35 --> 00:27:35,23 are some issues with. Mr Chair Yes but. 313 00:27:38,46 --> 00:27:43,29 I appreciate the comments. But now you've just gone down 314 00:27:43,30 --> 00:27:49,36 a slippery slope. Because. What happens if your neighbor paints 315 00:27:49,37 --> 00:27:53,00 a house colleague you don't like what happens if they landscape in 316 00:27:53,01 --> 00:27:56,42 a way don't like where this talking about 317 00:27:56,43 --> 00:28:03,29 a fairly contained process that the city can you know maybe even more near take 318 00:28:03,30 --> 00:28:06,94 something that is are rather hideous and if true so I think even with the 319 00:28:06,95 --> 00:28:12,66 landscaping those boxes I would be so angry when it happened. And I'd have no say 320 00:28:12,67 --> 00:28:18,19 in eighteen thousand and they're much bigger have some character to it that at that 321 00:28:18,31 --> 00:28:20,72 point. Maybe you could have 322 00:28:20,73 --> 00:28:25,28 a simple yes or no for the person who lived in front of it that they want to paint 323 00:28:25,29 --> 00:28:30,91 it or not and once they say yes it goes through the process if they say no it stays 324 00:28:31,09 --> 00:28:36,95 standard but I think it's totally slippery slope if you like while like that one 325 00:28:37,41 --> 00:28:41,76 might like this because then you get into low should I be able to tell you how to 326 00:28:41,84 --> 00:28:48,49 paint your house. Well furniture your front I can I can say that I have I mean I 327 00:28:48,50 --> 00:28:54,98 have neighbors who painted and. I don't necessarily like what they've done 328 00:28:55,39 --> 00:28:59,64 but it's something they have the. The it's their house they can do what they want 329 00:28:59,94 --> 00:29:04,05 with it and if they're happy with it fine I have 330 00:29:04,36 --> 00:29:07,63 a look with them but yeah and I do think there is 331 00:29:07,64 --> 00:29:12,41 a difference between personal property rights and the public right of way. No 332 00:29:12,42 --> 00:29:15,51 question in my mind that if a person there's not much I can do if 333 00:29:15,52 --> 00:29:21,16 a person wants to put three hundred of those three dollars solar lights all their 334 00:29:21,17 --> 00:29:24,74 driveway and sidewalk and you know the planes coming in 335 00:29:24,75 --> 00:29:29,29 a reference you know that's all they can do that. But I do think that there is 336 00:29:29,30 --> 00:29:31,10 a we hold our sweet hold the city to 337 00:29:31,11 --> 00:29:37,08 a higher standard I have some expectation from the city that that they will play 338 00:29:37,17 --> 00:29:44,03 fair and square with the residents and was very you know. Again in 339 00:29:44,04 --> 00:29:48,08 my case I knew the tree had to go. But it was 340 00:29:48,09 --> 00:29:53,02 a total surprise that it was gone. And and I think this could be 341 00:29:53,07 --> 00:29:54,83 a total surprise I must say there's 342 00:29:54,84 --> 00:29:59,77 a way around it well and I will say this just as we can keep talking about it but 343 00:29:59,78 --> 00:30:05,96 when I had spoken to the city manager years ago about that fire hydrant idea and 344 00:30:05,97 --> 00:30:10,90 she said. I mean the business district but I don't know if I'm want to get into 345 00:30:10,91 --> 00:30:16,53 that in the residential district so I think there's that there's already that line 346 00:30:16,54 --> 00:30:21,18 of it and that means going around debts and that it is different than 347 00:30:21,51 --> 00:30:28,47 a business property. Here and I think because it's open to 348 00:30:28,53 --> 00:30:30,17 anybody submitting a design 349 00:30:30,30 --> 00:30:35,61 a homeowner can you know if you have that something right next to your house so you 350 00:30:35,62 --> 00:30:36,08 can submit 351 00:30:36,09 --> 00:30:42,45 a design that you want and take you take it on yourself. And sell the house and 352 00:30:42,46 --> 00:30:45,64 move away and somebody else comes along they don't like it they can cement another 353 00:30:45,65 --> 00:30:51,10 design or replace it right. There's nothing to prevent this from you know it's just 354 00:30:51,11 --> 00:30:53,92 like you can now go and plant 355 00:30:53,93 --> 00:30:57,39 a new tree in that area if you it's no use now because you are trying to get your 356 00:30:57,40 --> 00:31:02,58 ego out of that but you can you can you can ask the city to put I want to see right 357 00:31:02,59 --> 00:31:04,84 through my program right out of the city for 358 00:31:04,85 --> 00:31:08,65 a gram as put in eight trees on my mind that they won't let you plant over an old 359 00:31:08,66 --> 00:31:14,53 tree that's the only OK yeah thirty year after year I believe in yeah right certain 360 00:31:14,54 --> 00:31:18,05 amount we lost our old tree that was one of something that you could know and 361 00:31:18,06 --> 00:31:22,19 there's also nothing to prevent from the house next door and you'll be sold to 362 00:31:22,20 --> 00:31:27,56 a builder pared down and he's building one of these big foots out. I agree I think 363 00:31:27,95 --> 00:31:33,56 so you know we do you know that gets into the whole argument of you know do we owe 364 00:31:33,57 --> 00:31:38,96 anything to our neighbors right as you know as residents of our homes and my is it 365 00:31:38,97 --> 00:31:43,04 total property rights I can do whatever I want within the laws of the city and to 366 00:31:43,05 --> 00:31:46,66 heck with you or do I you know I've I argue and I argue that we do or something 367 00:31:46,83 --> 00:31:53,50 similar but again I look at this is as being I think that if you if you are going 368 00:31:53,51 --> 00:31:57,14 to limit it to. The business districts and things I think it's 369 00:31:57,15 --> 00:32:02,76 a great idea and I continue supported I just think that again when you have 370 00:32:02,77 --> 00:32:06,70 a residential when you're residential situation and you know if the home or wanted 371 00:32:06,71 --> 00:32:08,82 to go out there and do it you know I might still have 372 00:32:08,83 --> 00:32:12,51 a problem because again this is the public right away we're talking about here and 373 00:32:13,10 --> 00:32:18,47 you know if I didn't happen to like my my trees in the public right away I can't 374 00:32:18,48 --> 00:32:21,94 just walk up and down you know it was there to see these trees and they remind me 375 00:32:21,95 --> 00:32:28,80 of that. But but I have seen people take the grass out and put. Down 376 00:32:28,81 --> 00:32:33,81 cover some like that so they don't have you having your lawyer I surrounded them in 377 00:32:33,82 --> 00:32:35,86 the trunk of a true obviously there's 378 00:32:35,87 --> 00:32:40,25 a line that we have drawn somewhere right so and I'm just asking that we've got to 379 00:32:40,26 --> 00:32:40,66 tell them we had 380 00:32:40,67 --> 00:32:45,38 a look closely at where that line goes and you know you said you like mango other 381 00:32:45,39 --> 00:32:49,65 people might not like agree so you know everybody has their I thought about doing 382 00:32:49,66 --> 00:32:53,46 one on my garage door you couldn't and I thought my residents would kill me and my 383 00:32:53,47 --> 00:32:59,62 my my neighborhood killing. You know get over it bask what what 384 00:33:00,33 --> 00:33:04,86 great master work of art you were going to put on your garage floor I had actually 385 00:33:04,86 --> 00:33:09,96 . Years ago for high school art project my brother projected up paint 386 00:33:10,00 --> 00:33:13,66 a picture that he took of the Mackinaw Bridge and he did it is a is 387 00:33:13,67 --> 00:33:18,38 a black and white study and you know I thought a giant when I have I have I have 388 00:33:18,39 --> 00:33:25,05 a hanger house of my model from my house as garage door fortunately and I thought 389 00:33:25,06 --> 00:33:25,56 you know 390 00:33:25,60 --> 00:33:29,68 a child. The picture of the back of the bridge would be cool but I just can't bring 391 00:33:29,69 --> 00:33:34,02 myself to inflict that upon my neighbors. Because they might not think it was cool 392 00:33:34,77 --> 00:33:35,28 and I want 393 00:33:35,29 --> 00:33:40,27 a Golden Gate Well I think it would be that cream and green color that we have up 394 00:33:40,28 --> 00:33:43,55 there yeah I think we are and it's beautiful but you can get like 395 00:33:43,56 --> 00:33:47,44 a trump lawyer fact and have of that and would have been have like I don't cafe 396 00:33:47,45 --> 00:33:51,98 thing in there something like that well you know you see the people who do the flag 397 00:33:52,20 --> 00:33:57,28 you know because yeah because yeah you know I think Roger are likely inherently 398 00:33:57,29 --> 00:34:03,21 wrong when they keep driving right into. The end they want to hear. 399 00:34:04,42 --> 00:34:06,18 Us are there for years there was 400 00:34:06,19 --> 00:34:10,48 a family and change out was there it was good and they had a giant letter G. 401 00:34:10,49 --> 00:34:14,00 On their garage and you always knew where their house was there was no question 402 00:34:14,01 --> 00:34:19,22 it's the letters are out there but like I say I just can't bring away you know 403 00:34:19,34 --> 00:34:24,67 fortunately they all like the Little Free Library. So all right have we given you 404 00:34:24,68 --> 00:34:30,90 know some food for thought that you have and I will. Take it to your hand man. 405 00:34:34,85 --> 00:34:38,79 So I guess I'll move on this is since comments and he says and care to address 406 00:34:38,80 --> 00:34:45,12 a planning commission. So he could be 407 00:34:45,13 --> 00:34:48,86 a pest tonight I didn't know this topic was going to come up and as I'm listening 408 00:34:48,87 --> 00:34:54,35 to you I'm thinking I live right next door to west born there's huge utility 409 00:34:54,93 --> 00:34:59,83 cabinets right next to my house and they have that landscape where I don't even 410 00:34:59,84 --> 00:35:06,49 notice it anymore but. I would like to have some say and not the trees were cut 411 00:35:06,50 --> 00:35:13,49 down and something was painted on there. And the. So I can see limiting 412 00:35:13,50 --> 00:35:16,91 it to business areas makes a lot of sense anything adjacent to 413 00:35:16,92 --> 00:35:21,97 a residential area I'd be very leery about because taste is so different from one 414 00:35:21,98 --> 00:35:27,06 person to the other and then the other thing is obscenity. I think part of 415 00:35:27,07 --> 00:35:30,61 Charlie's Venus arising out of the ocean the sea is 416 00:35:30,62 --> 00:35:36,52 a wonderful painting and if you put down on the thing I'd probably like it. But I 417 00:35:36,53 --> 00:35:36,92 bet you 418 00:35:36,93 --> 00:35:41,98 a lot of people in town that wouldn't and I don't know who in town is going to 419 00:35:41,99 --> 00:35:48,68 decide you know condemned by the celli to being an obscenity 420 00:35:49,18 --> 00:35:51,56 you know versus I don't know maybe we have 421 00:35:51,57 --> 00:35:57,48 a fondness for Rubens women. And I don't know who's are qualified who's 422 00:35:57,49 --> 00:36:03,59 a statically qualified in the city. I think we have some reasonably good sound 423 00:36:03,60 --> 00:36:09,24 taste in the city but I don't know for our critics and I certainly don't know if we 424 00:36:09,25 --> 00:36:14,37 want to play the role of art sense or so just my two cents Thank you all right 425 00:36:14,38 --> 00:36:16,54 sorry thank you and have 426 00:36:16,55 --> 00:36:22,31 a citizen scared or dressed planning session tonight. Ari and I move on to the 427 00:36:22,32 --> 00:36:27,20 liaison report. That's me. 428 00:36:28,73 --> 00:36:35,67 OK the meeting. Was August twelfth and it 429 00:36:35,68 --> 00:36:41,49 was the shortest one on record. In what's called to order it eight 430 00:36:41,50 --> 00:36:43,61 o four and a cure and 431 00:36:44,23 --> 00:36:52,75 a twenty five. And in between. Steve 432 00:36:52,76 --> 00:36:59,40 Baker thanked everyone who had volunteered to support. The cruise fast. 433 00:37:00,74 --> 00:37:07,66 And he complimented. Me and your work for 434 00:37:07,70 --> 00:37:12,65 with the project. And. 435 00:37:15,09 --> 00:37:17,68 Chamber. There's 436 00:37:17,69 --> 00:37:24,56 a pub crawl. Thursday. And there are several restaurants. 437 00:37:25,94 --> 00:37:32,88 Participating and the next. Will be held Argus twenty eight 438 00:37:33,20 --> 00:37:40,16 like Star bank. The carrot pass 439 00:37:40,99 --> 00:37:46,17 was accepted by council and there will be. 440 00:37:48,38 --> 00:37:55,17 The members get one free year subscription and hopefully this will work to 441 00:37:55,37 --> 00:38:02,34 get more of our residents flocking I have noticed that there's more people walking 442 00:38:02,34 --> 00:38:09,18 . Recently. And 443 00:38:09,19 --> 00:38:15,65 then the Ribena twelve mile project. Talked about doing yet 444 00:38:15,66 --> 00:38:22,57 another traffic study. And this would be about ten thousand dollars. 445 00:38:23,79 --> 00:38:25,72 And it was suggested that the D.D.A. 446 00:38:25,73 --> 00:38:31,66 In the city partner to cover that cost. And this is going to 447 00:38:32,37 --> 00:38:39,36 show the impact of closing or not closing. Be enough 448 00:38:39,81 --> 00:38:45,44 for the businesses there. And. As 449 00:38:45,45 --> 00:38:51,18 a business owner. Coolidge I would be upset if they were closing 450 00:38:51,66 --> 00:38:57,98 a street that was needed to get him to my shop. I can 451 00:38:57,99 --> 00:39:03,60 understand temporarily closing that permanently. 452 00:39:05,13 --> 00:39:11,83 I don't know I have to think about some more. Anyway. There's 453 00:39:11,84 --> 00:39:18,41 one more candidate that there's another one vacancy on the board and there's two 454 00:39:18,42 --> 00:39:23,00 people that. Jane is talking to. 455 00:39:25,69 --> 00:39:31,51 And. I think that's just about it. It was quick. 456 00:39:33,35 --> 00:39:40,33 I did the chamber meeting of the evening of August twelfth. They actually 457 00:39:40,34 --> 00:39:42,30 did not have enough members to have 458 00:39:42,31 --> 00:39:49,27 a quorum but they still discussed some events and and such so. 459 00:39:50,70 --> 00:39:56,40 August twentieth is the the pub crawl and there will be. Nine establishment 460 00:39:56,41 --> 00:40:01,45 participating the most they've ever had and so they've extended the time till 461 00:40:01,46 --> 00:40:03,78 midnight usually runs to eleven P.M. 462 00:40:03,82 --> 00:40:10,24 So starts at five thirty after me cheese twenty five dollars if you pre-purchase 463 00:40:10,25 --> 00:40:16,49 thirty dollars at the door. And because of the size of it the last couple of years 464 00:40:16,50 --> 00:40:20,42 this year they're going to for some of locations which are kind of tight on space 465 00:40:20,43 --> 00:40:26,16 they're going to be. Splitting the group up and two different groups and like 466 00:40:26,35 --> 00:40:32,11 moving them back and forth like. For example twenty four seconds and Patrick J's. 467 00:40:33,21 --> 00:40:39,56 They'll split the group up to those two locations so and then you know. Half of the 468 00:40:39,57 --> 00:40:45,36 time. For you to switch locations we'll see how that goes. 469 00:40:48,21 --> 00:40:54,44 They're also gearing up for the off outing I think it's the eighteen. September 470 00:40:55,33 --> 00:41:01,47 state of the city is scheduled for October sixteenth. And they have 471 00:41:01,48 --> 00:41:07,63 a group that is interested and creating an Irish festival here in Berkeley 472 00:41:08,43 --> 00:41:13,96 for the first weekend of or the first Saturday in October. Don't know if they'll 473 00:41:13,97 --> 00:41:20,28 make it this year but they definitely want to do it next year. And then they did 474 00:41:20,29 --> 00:41:26,58 that cash bash program as part of the bash. Distributed about. 475 00:41:30,18 --> 00:41:37,18 Three thousand of the queue. And as of Wednesday one hundred twenty of them 476 00:41:37,19 --> 00:41:43,97 have been redeemed so. The next meeting will be September ninth. 477 00:41:46,85 --> 00:41:53,52 Now they report environmental did not meet us. All right. As I think everybody. 478 00:41:54,61 --> 00:42:01,45 City council met last night. The library's been getting quite 479 00:42:01,46 --> 00:42:03,75 a bit the money donated to 480 00:42:03,76 --> 00:42:09,92 a man and several donations from Paulding curtain funeral home or to the 481 00:42:09,93 --> 00:42:14,60 library. And then they are was the matter of accepting. 482 00:42:16,19 --> 00:42:19,49 Donations from businesses and organizations and there was 483 00:42:19,50 --> 00:42:25,16 a whole bunch of them that have donated to the reading program at the library and 484 00:42:25,17 --> 00:42:32,09 the library is doing extremely well. In addition to that they city council approved 485 00:42:32,13 --> 00:42:38,85 a. Resolution to. Allow the Detroit to try 486 00:42:38,86 --> 00:42:45,73 public library to be in and Berkeley Public libraries so they can have joint. You 487 00:42:45,74 --> 00:42:50,88 can take books out materials out of my ear library and and have 488 00:42:50,89 --> 00:42:55,17 a giant thing there which is interesting in fact there's 489 00:42:55,18 --> 00:43:00,02 a whole slew of why Barry our communities have 490 00:43:00,03 --> 00:43:04,83 a hope age of them here communities that participate with the Berkeley library 491 00:43:04,84 --> 00:43:11,33 system and you can go all over the place and get materials 492 00:43:11,77 --> 00:43:18,32 I even see Wayne State University's libraries on them so that's interesting and 493 00:43:18,33 --> 00:43:24,51 then they've approved this spray patch road repair that they've been doing. You've 494 00:43:24,52 --> 00:43:31,16 seen in the fall and with the stone they're going to continue that project. What 495 00:43:31,17 --> 00:43:37,27 have you. And there were several points to various committees and for community for 496 00:43:37,28 --> 00:43:42,99 going to various. Organizations so that was the city of Berkeley's. 497 00:43:45,76 --> 00:43:47,04 Council meaning in 498 00:43:47,31 --> 00:43:53,73 a nut shell last night. So with that I guess we're running around the room here 499 00:43:54,46 --> 00:43:56,58 but it's got anything else to say tonight 500 00:43:57,56 --> 00:44:04,51 a server over here tonight has buckler. To show you know. Mr Morrow refers 501 00:44:04,52 --> 00:44:11,13 very. Demure and I'm good. Off. The 502 00:44:11,14 --> 00:44:16,52 Richardson of things and. Now I come down to Mr Martin Smith. 503 00:44:18,21 --> 00:44:23,70 I will say they. Are News I'm good you're good good maybe you have some of the same 504 00:44:23,71 --> 00:44:28,15 this fancy of. Our lives they thank you first with your schedules around 505 00:44:28,16 --> 00:44:33,57 a million years. Yes we did switch the schedule around because Miss Phantom's going 506 00:44:33,58 --> 00:44:40,00 to go on vacation around so we may get exception here tonight so with bad I guess 507 00:44:40,01 --> 00:44:46,86 our. Mr Chairman the motion is made her second. Court 508 00:44:47,04 --> 00:44:52,72 supported by Commissioner Murad all those in favor I. Think that your.